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		<title>By: emblazoned</title>
		<link>http://frozensummers.com/blog/2007/05/teh-pwr-of-xrst-cmpe11-u/comment-page-1/#comment-174</link>
		<dc:creator>emblazoned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 15:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; how it is possible for me to make an informed choice with flawed information. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Difficult, I imagine. But you must be logically consistent. Your illustration assumes an evangelical worldview. So from that frame of reference, you are informed. Therefore, my point stands, from that frame of reference.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt; And isn&#039;t the greatest love that someone would lay down their life for others? Then shouldn&#039;t you be bankrupting yourself emotionally. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I certainly don&#039;t read the verse like that.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt; firstly, people would have to take any kind of action before they could make a wrong action. &lt;/i&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Inaction is a choice.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Grant is presently trying to get in contact with you. maybe if you ignore him a bit more, you could blame him a bit more for not getting in touch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> how it is possible for me to make an informed choice with flawed information. </i></p>
<p>Difficult, I imagine. But you must be logically consistent. Your illustration assumes an evangelical worldview. So from that frame of reference, you are informed. Therefore, my point stands, from that frame of reference.</p>
<p><i> And isn&#8217;t the greatest love that someone would lay down their life for others? Then shouldn&#8217;t you be bankrupting yourself emotionally. </i></p>
<p>I certainly don&#8217;t read the verse like that.</p>
<p><i> firstly, people would have to take any kind of action before they could make a wrong action. </i> </p>
<p>Inaction is a choice.</p>
<p>Grant is presently trying to get in contact with you. maybe if you ignore him a bit more, you could blame him a bit more for not getting in touch.</p>
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		<title>By: David Castor</title>
		<link>http://frozensummers.com/blog/2007/05/teh-pwr-of-xrst-cmpe11-u/comment-page-1/#comment-173</link>
		<dc:creator>David Castor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 13:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m on the Central Coast. You want to catch up? There&#039;s a free beer in it for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m on the Central Coast. You want to catch up? There&#8217;s a free beer in it for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Chaotica</title>
		<link>http://frozensummers.com/blog/2007/05/teh-pwr-of-xrst-cmpe11-u/comment-page-1/#comment-172</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Chaotica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 12:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, to rebutt &lt;i&gt;(since emblazoned has too many pms to reply how he replied to me)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Okay.... how it is possible for me to make an informed choice with flawed information. And isn&#039;t the greatest love that someone would lay down their life for others? Then shouldn&#039;t you be bankrupting yourself emotionally.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Now.... firstly, people would have to take any kind of action before they could make a wrong action. Secondly, you are playing the pronoun game. I hate it when people do that, so unless you provide specific names of people who took specific actions then I will consider that &lt;i&gt;they&lt;/i&gt; are a figment of your imagination. So get back to me with such details and we can discuss their motivations, and then I&#039;ll name those who I think should have done something and have done nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, to rebutt <i>(since emblazoned has too many pms to reply how he replied to me)</i></p>
<p>Okay&#8230;. how it is possible for me to make an informed choice with flawed information. And isn&#8217;t the greatest love that someone would lay down their life for others? Then shouldn&#8217;t you be bankrupting yourself emotionally.</p>
<p>Now&#8230;. firstly, people would have to take any kind of action before they could make a wrong action. Secondly, you are playing the pronoun game. I hate it when people do that, so unless you provide specific names of people who took specific actions then I will consider that <i>they</i> are a figment of your imagination. So get back to me with such details and we can discuss their motivations, and then I&#8217;ll name those who I think should have done something and have done nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Chaotica</title>
		<link>http://frozensummers.com/blog/2007/05/teh-pwr-of-xrst-cmpe11-u/comment-page-1/#comment-171</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Chaotica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 12:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually, emblazoned said....&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;your blog wont let me reply. it does that every now and then. So here is my reply:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;I have said &quot;I&#039;m going to jump off&quot; and &quot;Don&#039;t try to stop me&quot;. If you just watch me jump that is as good as pushing me off yourself.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s not the same as that. you knew better. You made an informed choice. I have worked with suicidal people. There are strict limits to what you can do. if you bankrupt yourself emotionally for them at every plea for help, then you become nothing but a wreck needing help yourself.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;some very well equipped people have tried to reach you anyway&quot; and &quot;I know one who tried hard with you&quot; - I must have missed that memo.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I suspect they shall try again shortly. But please open your mind to how people work, and look for their motivations. Someone who loves you dearly can still do the &#039;wrong action&#039; and not reach you how you really wanted to be reached.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually, emblazoned said&#8230;.</p>
<p><i>your blog wont let me reply. it does that every now and then. So here is my reply:</p>
<p>&#8220;I have said &#8220;I&#8217;m going to jump off&#8221; and &#8220;Don&#8217;t try to stop me&#8221;. If you just watch me jump that is as good as pushing me off yourself.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the same as that. you knew better. You made an informed choice. I have worked with suicidal people. There are strict limits to what you can do. if you bankrupt yourself emotionally for them at every plea for help, then you become nothing but a wreck needing help yourself.</p>
<p>&#8220;some very well equipped people have tried to reach you anyway&#8221; and &#8220;I know one who tried hard with you&#8221; &#8211; I must have missed that memo.</p>
<p>I suspect they shall try again shortly. But please open your mind to how people work, and look for their motivations. Someone who loves you dearly can still do the &#8216;wrong action&#8217; and not reach you how you really wanted to be reached.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Chaotica</title>
		<link>http://frozensummers.com/blog/2007/05/teh-pwr-of-xrst-cmpe11-u/comment-page-1/#comment-170</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Chaotica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 05:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay.... lets look at the classic cliff analogy. Unbelievers are in danger of falling off, I have said &quot;I&#039;m going to jump off&quot; and &quot;Don&#039;t try to stop me&quot;. If you just watch me jump that is as good as pushing me off yourself.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;some very well equipped people have tried to reach you anyway&quot; and &quot;I know one who tried hard with you&quot; - I must have missed that memo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay&#8230;. lets look at the classic cliff analogy. Unbelievers are in danger of falling off, I have said &#8220;I&#8217;m going to jump off&#8221; and &#8220;Don&#8217;t try to stop me&#8221;. If you just watch me jump that is as good as pushing me off yourself.</p>
<p>&#8220;some very well equipped people have tried to reach you anyway&#8221; and &#8220;I know one who tried hard with you&#8221; &#8211; I must have missed that memo.</p>
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		<title>By: emblazoned</title>
		<link>http://frozensummers.com/blog/2007/05/teh-pwr-of-xrst-cmpe11-u/comment-page-1/#comment-169</link>
		<dc:creator>emblazoned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 13:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*shrugs*&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You said you wanted to be left alone.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s a bit rich saying &#039;don&#039;t bother trying to save me&#039; and then turning around &#039;why havent you tried to save me&#039;. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But that aside, you do have a point. Even though I know for a fact some very well equipped people have tried to reach you anyway.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There is the simple matte rof resources, however. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There are very few people who are well equipped doing minstry. And I know one who tried hard with you, but the the rest of them have their own &#039;prodigals&#039; they are working on. They need to see some good signs from you before they can intervene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*shrugs*</p>
<p>You said you wanted to be left alone.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a bit rich saying &#8216;don&#8217;t bother trying to save me&#8217; and then turning around &#8216;why havent you tried to save me&#8217;. </p>
<p>But that aside, you do have a point. Even though I know for a fact some very well equipped people have tried to reach you anyway.</p>
<p>There is the simple matte rof resources, however. </p>
<p>There are very few people who are well equipped doing minstry. And I know one who tried hard with you, but the the rest of them have their own &#8216;prodigals&#8217; they are working on. They need to see some good signs from you before they can intervene.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Chaotica</title>
		<link>http://frozensummers.com/blog/2007/05/teh-pwr-of-xrst-cmpe11-u/comment-page-1/#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Chaotica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 12:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firstly.... yes abducting me does sound like fun....&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Secondly, this rant was aimed at the evangelical types who believe I&#039;ll spend an eternity in hell. Not a liberal like you who thinks that hell is a just a purgatorial step in the journey to heaven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly&#8230;. yes abducting me does sound like fun&#8230;.</p>
<p>Secondly, this rant was aimed at the evangelical types who believe I&#8217;ll spend an eternity in hell. Not a liberal like you who thinks that hell is a just a purgatorial step in the journey to heaven.</p>
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		<title>By: David Castor</title>
		<link>http://frozensummers.com/blog/2007/05/teh-pwr-of-xrst-cmpe11-u/comment-page-1/#comment-167</link>
		<dc:creator>David Castor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 23:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you really want people to abduct you and tie you to a chair while quoting bible verses at you? If that&#039;s how you&#039;d get your jollies, I&#039;m sure we could arrange it. But you&#039;ve made it clear that you want to be left alone, so we&#039;re respecting your wishes.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Now, if you&#039;re interested in catching up with me when I&#039;m on the Central Coast next, I&#039;d love to oblige. I&#039;m sure it disappoints you to know this, but there aren&#039;t any strings attached - no cheesy Christian apologetics, no attempts to convert you. You&#039;re on your own journey and only you can decide the direction in which you will walk. I&#039;ve made the offer to meet up with you before and it remains open. It really is your choice. I&#039;m not going to chase you up when you&#039;ve made it perfectly clear that you&#039;re not interested in seeing me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you really want people to abduct you and tie you to a chair while quoting bible verses at you? If that&#8217;s how you&#8217;d get your jollies, I&#8217;m sure we could arrange it. But you&#8217;ve made it clear that you want to be left alone, so we&#8217;re respecting your wishes.</p>
<p>Now, if you&#8217;re interested in catching up with me when I&#8217;m on the Central Coast next, I&#8217;d love to oblige. I&#8217;m sure it disappoints you to know this, but there aren&#8217;t any strings attached &#8211; no cheesy Christian apologetics, no attempts to convert you. You&#8217;re on your own journey and only you can decide the direction in which you will walk. I&#8217;ve made the offer to meet up with you before and it remains open. It really is your choice. I&#8217;m not going to chase you up when you&#8217;ve made it perfectly clear that you&#8217;re not interested in seeing me.</p>
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